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Herbert, Count of Vermandois II

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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  Herbert, Count of Vermandois II died in 943 in St. Quentin.

    Notes:

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    Count of Vermandois and Troyes.

    II married Liegarde, of FranceTroyes, France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 2. Vermandois, Alix de  Descendancy chart to this point died in 960 in Bruges.
    2. 3. Robert Count of Troyes & Meaux  Descendancy chart to this point died about 968.
    3. 4. Vermandois, Luitgarde de  Descendancy chart to this point died in 978.
    4. 5. Renaud Count of Rheims & Roucy  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 900; died on 15 Mar 973 in Rheims, Champagne.
    5. 6. Albert, Count de Vermandois I  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 920; died in 988.


Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Vermandois, Alix de Descendancy chart to this point (1.II1) died in 960 in Bruges.

    Notes:

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    Alix (or Adele) may be daughter of Herbert II and another wife, Hildebrante of
    Neustria.

    Alix married Arnulf, Count of Flanders I in Feb 934. I (son of Baldwin, Count of Flanders II and Alfrith, Princess Lady) was born in 890; died on 27 Mar 966. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 7. Flanders, Elstrude of  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 8. Baldwin, Count of Flanders III  Descendancy chart to this point died on 1 Jan 962.
    3. 9. Flanders, Hildegarde of  Descendancy chart to this point
    4. 10. Hildegard of Flanders  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 934; died on 10 Apr 990.

  2. 3.  Robert Count of Troyes & Meaux Descendancy chart to this point (1.II1) died about 968.

    Family/Spouse: Burgundy, Adelaide of. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 11. Vermandois, Adelaide of  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 950; died between 975 and 978.

  3. 4.  Vermandois, Luitgarde de Descendancy chart to this point (1.II1) died in 978.

    Notes:

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    Luitgarde was widow of Duke William I of Normandy when she m. Theobald I.

    Luitgarde married Theobald, Count of Blois, "le Tricheur" I in 943. I (son of Theobald Viscount of Troyes and Bourges, Richilde of) was born in 920; died on 16 Jan 975. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 12. Blois, Ildegarde of  Descendancy chart to this point

  4. 5.  Renaud Count of Rheims & Roucy Descendancy chart to this point (1.II1) was born in 900; died on 15 Mar 973 in Rheims, Champagne.

    married Lorraine, Alberade of on Yes, date unknown. Alberade (daughter of Giselbert Duke of Lorraine and Saxony, Gerberga of) was born in 930. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 13. Giselbert Count of Roucy  Descendancy chart to this point died in 990; was buried in Rheims.

  5. 6.  Albert, Count de Vermandois I Descendancy chart to this point (1.II1) was born in 920; died in 988.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Reference Number: 579

    Notes:

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    {Alternately, Albert I may be son of Herbert I and therefore a brother to
    Herbert II. W.H.Turton, "The Plantagenet Ancestry"
    (Balt.:Gen.Pub.Co.,1968),p.112, shows Herbert II and wife Hildebrand as
    parents of Albert I, and Herbert III as son of Albert I and Gerberga of
    Lorraine.}

    I married Lorraine, Gerberga of on Yes, date unknown. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 14. Vermandois, Herbert III de Count  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 955; died in 1000.


Generation: 3

  1. 7.  Flanders, Elstrude of Descendancy chart to this point (2.Alix2, 1.II1)

    Notes:

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    Elstrude m. Sigfrid, Count of Guines; their dau. Heloise m. Crispin de Bec
    - per John S. Wurts, "Magna Charta," p.2896.

    Elstrude married Sigfrid, Count of Guines on Yes, date unknown. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 15. Guines, Heloise de  Descendancy chart to this point

  2. 8.  Baldwin, Count of Flanders III Descendancy chart to this point (2.Alix2, 1.II1) died on 1 Jan 962.

    III married Saxony, Matilda of on Yes, date unknown. Matilda (daughter of Billung, Duke of Saxony Hermann) died on 25 May 1008. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 16. Bourg, Count of Comyn John de  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 17. Arnulf, II Ct. of Flanders  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 961; died on 30 Mar 987.

  3. 9.  Flanders, Hildegarde of Descendancy chart to this point (2.Alix2, 1.II1)

    Notes:

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    [Parents are presumed - cf. W.H.Turton, "The Plantagenet Ancestry" (Balt.: Gen.Pub.Co., 1968), p. 112. "Ancestral Roots..." (Balt., 1992) 250-17 reports she is Eldegarde, (dau. or niece of Ermenfroi, Count of Amiens ?, prob. a Carolingian princess),
    who m. (2) Waleran, a count...." However, it is highly unlikely that this Hildegarde of Flanders could have been the daughter of Arnulf I "The Elder", Count of Flanders -- if Raoul died in 936 and Arnulf married Alix De Vermandois in February 934.
    Supposedly Hildegarde is a daughter from this marriage, but it appears unlikely even if the years are not exactly correct that a daughter of this marriage married Raoul De Gouy.]

    Hildegarde married Gouy, Raoul ("Ralph") de on Yes, date unknown. Raoul died in 936. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 18. Vexintamiens, Gauthier I of  Descendancy chart to this point died in 987.

  4. 10.  Hildegard of Flanders Descendancy chart to this point (2.Alix2, 1.II1) was born in 934; died on 10 Apr 990.

    Notes:

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    {W.H.Turton Identifies her as Mildegarde de Gand, dau. of Wichmann, Count
    of Gand (d. ca. 949) - "The Plantagenet Ancestry" (Balt.:Gen.Pub.Co.,
    1968), p. 20.}

    Hildegard married Dirk, Count of Holland II between 940 and 945. II (son of Dirk, Count of Holland (First) I and Genna Princess of Italy) died on 6 May 988. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 19. Arnulf, Count of Holland II  Descendancy chart to this point died on 18 Sep 993.

  5. 11.  Vermandois, Adelaide of Descendancy chart to this point (3.2, 1.II1) was born in 950; died between 975 and 978.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Occupation: Countess of Chalons

    Family/Spouse: Geoffrey, Count of Anjou I. I (son of Fulk, Count of Anjou II and Gatinais, Gerberga of The) died on 21 Jul 987. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 20. Anjou, Ermengarde of  Descendancy chart to this point

  6. 12.  Blois, Ildegarde of Descendancy chart to this point (4.Luitgarde2, 1.II1)

    Ildegarde married Bouchard, Baron of Montmorency I on Yes, date unknown. I (son of Alberic and Elfgifu) died in 978. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 21. Bouchard, Baron of Montmorency II  Descendancy chart to this point died in 1020.

  7. 13.  Giselbert Count of Roucy Descendancy chart to this point (5.2, 1.II1) died in 990; was buried in Rheims.

    married on Yes, date unknown. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 22. Ebles, Archbishop, Count of Rheims I  Descendancy chart to this point died on 11 May 1033.

  8. 14.  Vermandois, Herbert III de Count Descendancy chart to this point (6.I2, 1.II1) was born in 955; died in 1000.

    Family/Spouse: Renald, Ct. Ermengarde of Bar Dau. Of. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 23. Otho Count  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1000; died on 25 May 1045.


Generation: 4

  1. 15.  Guines, Heloise de Descendancy chart to this point (7.Elstrude3, 2.Alix2, 1.II1)

    Notes:

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    Heloise is believed to be daughter of Sigfrid, Count of Guines, and Elstude
    of Flanders {-"The Plantagenet Ancestry," W.H.Turton,
    Balt.: Gen.Pub.Co.,1968,p.134}. See discussion of her identity in "Falaise
    Roll" (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1994), p. 196d.

    Heloise married Bec, Crispin de on Yes, date unknown. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 24. Crispin, Gilbert I  Descendancy chart to this point

  2. 16.  Bourg, Count of Comyn John de Descendancy chart to this point (8.III3, 2.Alix2, 1.II1)

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Occupation: General of Royal Forces

    Notes:

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    John was Earl of Comyn, Baron of Toursbourg, and General of the King's
    Forces. His wife is unknown. Another source styles him "Jean de
    Conteville."

    John married on Yes, date unknown. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 25. de Conteville, Herlouin (De Burgo)  Descendancy chart to this point

  3. 17.  Arnulf, II Ct. of Flanders Descendancy chart to this point (8.III3, 2.Alix2, 1.II1) was born in 961; died on 30 Mar 987.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Occupation: Between 965 and 987; Ct. of Flanders

    II married Rosele in 968. (daughter of Berenger, Marquis of Ivrea II and Tuscany, Willa of) was born in 952; died on 26 Jan 1003. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 26. Baldwin, Count of Flanders (the Forester) IV  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 980; died on 30 May 1036.

  4. 18.  Vexintamiens, Gauthier I of Descendancy chart to this point (9.Hildegarde3, 2.Alix2, 1.II1) died in 987.

    Notes:

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    "Ancestral Roots..." (Balt., 1992) 250-18 gives him as "Walter I, Count of
    Aiens, Valois and the Vexin, d. 992/998; m. Adele, dau., perh. of Fulk I,
    Count of Anjou....Walter I was son of Ralph, Count of Valois", either the
    one shown here as his father or a son of this Ralph.

    Gauthier married Breux, Eve of on Yes, date unknown. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 27. Gauthier, Count of Vexintamiens II  Descendancy chart to this point died in 1027.

  5. 19.  Arnulf, Count of Holland II Descendancy chart to this point (10.Hildegard3, 2.Alix2, 1.II1) died on 18 Sep 993.

    Notes:

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    Arnulf was killed while fighting the West Frisians and was succeeded by his
    12-year-old son Dirk III.

    II married Cleves, Luitgarde of on Yes, date unknown. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 28. Holland, Adele of  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 29. Adalbert Count of Gand  Descendancy chart to this point

  6. 20.  Anjou, Ermengarde of Descendancy chart to this point (11.Adelaide3, 3.2, 1.II1)

    Ermengarde married Conan, Count of Rennes I in 980. I (son of Berrenger, Count of Rennes Juhael) died in 992. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 30. Brittany, Judith of  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 982; died in 1017.

  7. 21.  Bouchard, Baron of Montmorency II Descendancy chart to this point (12.Ildegarde3, 4.Luitgarde2, 1.II1) died in 1020.

    II married on Yes, date unknown. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 31. Thibault, Lord of Montlhery I  Descendancy chart to this point

  8. 22.  Ebles, Archbishop, Count of Rheims I Descendancy chart to this point (13.3, 5.2, 1.II1) died on 11 May 1033.

    Family/Spouse: Hainaut, Beatrix of. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 32. Roucy, Alix de  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1014; died in 1062.

  9. 23.  Otho Count Descendancy chart to this point (14.Herbert3, 6.I2, 1.II1) was born in 1000; died on 25 May 1045.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Occupation: Count de Vermandois

    Notes:

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    Death date from "Ancestral Roots..." (Balt., 1992) 50-21.

    married Parvie on Yes, date unknown. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 33. Herbert, Count de Vermandois IV  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1032; died in 1080.


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